Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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dwk983
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Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Hi Resolume team,

I'm running Resolume 5.0.4 on Windows 10 with DXV2 clips. I've run into a possible bug with Auto Pilot that breaks fading between clips.

1) Set layer transition time slider to 10 seconds (to make the problem obvious)
2) Set transitions to Alpha
3) Add two clips to a layer. Set the first to 'play next clip' and the second to 'play previous clip'

Unwanted result: The first clip will cut to black when it reaches the end, then the second clip fades in over 10 seconds. There is no crossfade. Is it supposed to work like this?

Result when clicking on the clips or columns rather than using Auto Pilot: The first clip crossfades into the second as expected.

Thanks for your help,
David K

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Yeah it won't work like that because the software doesn't infer the duration of your fade to trigger the autopilot. This will work however if you clip is set to loop mode but the result won't be acceptable unless your clip is a loopable clip. That would also work if you pause the clip on the last frame.

You would handle this kind of transition by either using an external controller with timed triggers or by using two layers.

Here is the breakdown for using two layers:
  • L1C1: DXV3 file 1
    L2C1: Solid Color source clip set to alpha 0 with a duration = DXV3 File 1 - your transition time set to autopilot play next clip
    L2C2: DXV3 file 2 with layer transition or with an automated opacity fade in
Then trigger C1 and watch the smooth automatic transition

Note you could set you L1C1 clip to autopilot and play next clip and use another Solid Color source clip in L1C2 to automate another transition and so on and so forth

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Hi Oaktown,

Thanks for the info. I thought that might be the case. I came up with a work-around when I ran into the issue but it was much clunkier than your technique. I'll give that a go next time.

Hopefully autopilot gets refined in a future update.
David Kirkpatrick
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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Hopefully autopilot gets refined in a future update.
I think the introduction of a timeline in Resolume is the next refinement we need to run shows and a lot of us out there are hoping it will be part of R6 so stay tuned!

In the meantime, there are a lot of work arounds, tricks and 3rd party controllers you can use to make it work in most cases.

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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a lot of us out there are hoping it will be part of R6 so stay tuned!
I wouldn't get those hopes up too high...

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Oaktown wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2016 15:59 Yeah it won't work like that because the software doesn't infer the duration of your fade to trigger the autopilot. This will work however if you clip is set to loop mode but the result won't be acceptable unless your clip is a loopable clip. That would also work if you pause the clip on the last frame.

You would handle this kind of transition by either using an external controller with timed triggers or by using two layers.

Here is the breakdown for using two layers:
  • L1C1: DXV3 file 1
    L2C1: Solid Color source clip set to alpha 0 with a duration = DXV3 File 1 - your transition time set to autopilot play next clip
    L2C2: DXV3 file 2 with layer transition or with an automated opacity fade in
Then trigger C1 and watch the smooth automatic transition

Note you could set you L1C1 clip to autopilot and play next clip and use another Solid Color source clip in L1C2 to automate another transition and so on and so forth
I'm trying to do such transition, but still no luck.
(I'm using mp4 files, not DXV3)
Can you check my settings?
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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Two things:
  1. If you want a 5 second transition, make your [Solid Color] clip 175 seconds and it should work.
  2. Bring your Layer 2 opacity to 100%

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Oaktown wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 15:07 Two things:
  1. If you want a 5 second transition, make your [Solid Color] clip 175 seconds and it should work.
  2. Bring your Layer 2 opacity to 100%
Thanks for the reply.
I think i've found more simple solution, but i still have a question.
My solution is:
1. I have 2 layers "Main Layer" and "Fader layer"
Main layer is my clips, and fader level is picture with duration of corresponding clip.
2. Each fader picture has 100% opacity in first and at last seconds of the time. (look at the picture). All other time fader picture is transparent.

IT WORKS (between clip fading), when Autopilot set to "Plays the clips on current layer in sequence", and DON'T WORK when Autopilot set to "Random".

Is there any solution to BIND "Fader level" and "Main layer" during random autopilot?
I've tried to group layers, but still no luck.

For example, if Main layer random autopilot sequence is Clip1->Clip3->Clip2->Clip1 i want my fader level sequence must be the same bw1->bw3->bw2->bw1
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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Why don't you use the same trick, but instead control the opacity directly on your main layer and reverse the envelope keyframes so it goes 0->100% at the beginning and 100-0% at the end?

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Re: Auto Pilot crossfade issue

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Oaktown wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 19:42 Why don't you use the same trick, but instead control the opacity directly on your main layer and reverse the envelope keyframes so it goes 0->100% at the beginning and 100-0% at the end?
Maybe i'm not clearly understand your advice, but i try to explain.
I need overlay "in the beggining" and "in the end" not just "to black", i need overlay "half video to black, half video to white".
That is why i prepare 2-color PNG, with white stripe (you can notice it on my screen), and place it on fader level.

IF I CAN set some kind of background for all scenes (entire composition), it will be handy.
OR, if would can change default background to WHITE, instead of black, it will be handy too.

Any solution?

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