How to use a clip with transparency as a transition over 2 other clips in Resolume Avenue or Arena?

[Lumenarius]

For a project there are 10 videos that each have a transition video with transparency that spans the end of one clip and the start of another.

So far this works perfectly in Adobe Premiere but the issue is that if we need to edit a single clip we have to re-render the whole video over again and this can get quite tedious as the files are large and the render times are large for the whole video is 90 minutes at 3840 x 3840 @ 30 FPS.

A good solution would be to not render the entire 10 clips as 1 video but to instead have them be individual clips in Resolume where you can just drag in the single updated video as need be or reorder them easily.

The problem is I have not figured out how to make the transitions with transparency work as desired in Resolume and I want to see if there is a way around this or how to do it correctly?

In the screenshots you can see the Premiere timeline where the 2 clips are but back to back with the transitions spanning both of them.

But over in Resolume I have to place the transition clip in one of the two columns. Or in between. See screenshots.

Either option does not result in the intended effect and I am wondering if there is a way to do this properly?
I am open to anything creative but ideally it would be sort of drag and drop to make managing them easier.

Would this be any different in Arena vs Avenue?

Thanks!

[Lumenarius]

Replying here with the Resolume Avenue screenshots.

[Scratchpole]

You could make it with Wire, there is an example patch here: viewtopic.php?t=22375

[Lumenarius]

Thank you for the link. Always close in the search terms.

I gave it a try but got stuck on some weird error.

First time Wire user so it's probably my fault.

Will be digging into this over the evening to see what is possible.

From the sound of it in that thread it does work once configured right.

Right now I am using version 7.22.1.42250 on Mac OS 15.1.1

Do I need a proper serial to use it or can it be used on a trial?

[Lumenarius]

Okay so it looks like the new "Video Bumper" transition is actually what I want. This is in the new 7.22

However, there is one issue and that is this transition fades the opacity in and out and I just need it to be fully opaque at the first frame.

It also appears that in order to have more than one custom transition you need more than one instance of this transition which require Wire.

I am going to try my hand at randomly tweaking values to get this to work as desired.

I also might just trim the transition video to be blank for the first and last few seconds to see if that works as well.

[Lumenarius]

Okay so it looks like the Video Bumper transition uses a cross fader so it will fade in/out of the transition video and the transition will only be fully 100% opacity exactly halfway in between and then start to fade out again.

So close!

I know nothing in Wire so I don't know if the desired effect is actually possible but I think it should theoretically be given how vast and configurable this program is.

See attached for the subtle difference.

Ideally, given the transition I am using has an alpha channel, the transition should be 100% opacity from the start and not actually get blended with the underlying video.

[Lumenarius]

Okay I figured it out.

What I did was use conditional logic to switch the underlying video layers at the 0.5 mark and then just mixed the actual transition over it with a Video Mixer set to alpha since the transition video already had an alpha channel and would fade in on it's own sort to speak.

See screenshot.

*Might* have a few bugs and I might need to do some house keeping but it works from my side.

Only limitation is that you can only have a 10 second transition. I think this is a higher level constraint.

Anyways, how do I share this?

[Lumenarius]

One issue is that if I duplicate this Wire Patch and make a B version and a C version where the B version as a certain transition, and the C version has another transition, they will not stay separated.

When I switch one it forces the other to be the same.

So I might set the Transition for the layer to Video Bumper B and it uses a certain transition. Great.

Then I set the Transition for the layer to Video Bumper C and it uses another transition. Awesome.

But! When I set the layer Transition back to Video Bumper B it now has taken on the same transition as C and they are now the same.

The only fix is to menu dive and manually re-assign the correct video.

Even if I pre-select the transition and build it into the Wire Patch. Hmmm...

Bug or am I just not doing this right?

[Scratchpole]

Very glad I could point you in the right direction with my googlefu, not a wire user myself so I can't help you any further. Looks like you figured it out already though.
If I needed this trick myself I would make something in Vuo and use the effect as 'transition phase' method, for which I found this tutorial when serching for your solution: https://youtu.be/DgnIFUCmcmI?si=q50AQ0BCeM5L86v9
I wonder why transitions are limited to 10 seconds, seems to be an arbitrary choice from the team.

[Lumenarius]

Thanks @Scratchpole I went deep in the rabbit hole last night to get that done.

Not sure how to properly share it so hopefully the screenshot works for now.

As for the 10 second limit that is probably arbitrary and likely based on the very small transition slider as any longer and it would get quantized as you slide it and some values could not be hit easily.

The video you shared is also very helpful. I could see using that in the future for sure.

I also found this other video ( https://youtu.be/oRRZ4QZS8Sc?si=3fXJGAEvsb90NZ8D ) as it appears what I am trying to do with these alpha transitions is also called a "stinger"? Looks like OBS can do it no problem however I am not going to switch to that program just for a single feature as getting Spout enabled over there is a dark GitHub journey.

Overall the solution I found with Wire is acceptable however there are still x2 things that would need to be solved in order for it to be as desired.

1) Being able to make use of more than 1 Video Bumper transition per layer. Right now I can only use one where the project calls for 3.

2) The above issue could be solved manually for each clip if you change the transition with the drop down menu but I think there is a bug where if I make x2 distinct Video Bumper variations in Wire they for some reason consolidate to use the same video on their own even if I manually set it in Wire or with the file picker. Not sure what is going on there.

I will try this from some other angles and will report back if anything new arises.